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the foundation for the assignment of

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astrology to the field of animalistics

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is the assertion

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that astrology functions on a basis not

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yet fully understood

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a correlation between lawful

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astronomical circumstances

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dynamics movements and earthly events is

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assumed

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one can call this the above below

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or abt

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the regularity and calculability of

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astronomic

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dynamics including the basic

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astrological meaning attributed to them

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a central prerequisite of astrological

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practice

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if one takes the few stable finding of

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research on astrological correlations

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seriously

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the assumed above below connection

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represents a scientific anomaly

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usually this connection is experienced

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as evident in practical applications

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such as the interpretation of a birth

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in this process

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of experiences subjective evidence

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concerning the role of reliability and

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truth of astrality

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another level comes into play

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that of the interpreter and the receiver

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of the interpretation

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it is no longer a matter of the

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theoretically modeled above below

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but of a complex often interpersonal

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susceptible to influences of the most

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regarding conventional explanations

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intuition cold reading

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or other means of gathering information

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the interpretation of astrological

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factors due to the above below

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and in some cases

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synchronistic events

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therefore an important distinction is

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whether a scientific study on the

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validity of astrology

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investigates the above below theorem

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that means the performance of

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this differentiation is reflected in two

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research paradigms each with its own

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methodological problems

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the first paradigm concerns the

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examination of isolated astrological

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assumptions

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such as the assumption that for example

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in the case of prominent athletes

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mars

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near the ascendant as expected by random

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chance

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as michelle and francoise go class

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well-known study

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studies have shown

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found between the horoscopes of loving

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partners or friends

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than would be expected by chance

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empirical investigations usually apply

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astrologers for example get 10

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horoscopes and 10 psychological reports

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and must assign the related horoscopes

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and reports

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as it was the case in an early

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successful experiment published by

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psycho psychologist vernon clark

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no direct proof of the validity of the

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above below theorem can be obtained from

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the success of the astrologers

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if we assume the validity of astrology

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or astrological practice

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with or maybe dealing with separate

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can occur in the process of horoscope

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being describable by the concepts of

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parapsychology

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a third would be a form of synchronistic

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that is assumed to occur in divinatory

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as it is the case in horary astrology

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however i will not deal with the last

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horoscope interpretation is a complex

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process with space for intuition psi

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just as in music there are lifeless

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lifeless interpretation of a work of

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music is wrong

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processing of a horoscope is wrong

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the interpretations are simply bad

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individually and collectively shaped

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environment is not successful

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in order to achieve a bullseye in an

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interpretation on an astrological level

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to creatively translate the relatively

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abstract structural principles into

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possible concrete events

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in the laden's world or life world

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terms will have little success

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if one leaves aside psychological

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such as the already mentioned barnum

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effect that also can provide the

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complexity of necessary translation work

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scientific studies on the validity of

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they concern what is called the german

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revised astrology is

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a strongly psychologically and

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position is associated with a pronounced

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in which astrologers to name one example

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are asked to distinguish horoscopes of

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the allocation performance of the

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astrologers involved

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in the following i will address some

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methodological problems to be considered

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they can be classified according to the

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distinction between

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in statistical tests whose hypotheses

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concern frequencies of occurrence of

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on the time shifting method because it

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concerns an easily overlooked but

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this method assumes a homogeneous

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astrological timeline which allows

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arbitrary operations that are in a way

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should be the best the perfect one

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in this uh synchronistic

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synthetic

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experiment for each pair

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of birth horoscopes using monte carlo

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simulations a method

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that has since become feasible

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due to the significant increase in

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computer figuring power

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with this technique

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the complex superposition of the orbital

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movements of the relevant celestial

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bodies are adequately considered

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from a geocentric perspective

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and now i

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show you a figure from that study it's

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only to show how

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different the quality of time

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so to say is for different subjects so

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we see here

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two graphs

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uh that are related to uh different

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subjects and it shows the same

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period of time that means the year 1955

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and here we have the

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the month of this the 12 months of this

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year and we only have to look at the

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line above here

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and we see that they differ are

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differing significantly over here is a

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large peak

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uh in august september here we have a a

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valley and here you have also

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a gray line to see that here we have a

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high peak

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and in this chart we have a low peak

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this is the astrological astronomical

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situation in the very same year

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but related

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to the aspects to

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the birth charts of different subjects

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only for the illustration

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how the time quality

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has to be considered in relation to the

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okay

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now a next

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often made mistake

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another problem that is almost

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universally ignored by both as georges

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and skeptics is how

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to deal with the signs of the zodiac in

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classical studies of correlation

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for example between sun signs and

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occupation

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while signs of the subject represent

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analytical categories from an

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astrological perspective

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they cannot be treated as discrete facts

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from an external scientific point of

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view

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comparable with biological sex or age or

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eye color

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the zodiac divided into 12

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30 degree sections with the respective

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zodiacal sign assignments

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represents a human construction

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and cannot be treated

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as a natural given property

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so

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if one wants to check the connection

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between earthly events and planets in

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sodium signs then one has to test

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against other division divisions of the

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zodiac for control take about 45 degree

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sections or 20 degree sections

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the direct examination of the abt

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usually describes an earthly fact

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event

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personality trait career choice to which

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correspondences to the astronomical

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events such as suicide

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car accident

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and lottery win

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are clear facts however

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even though the first mentioned event is

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also clear in its consequences

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it makes a significant difference

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whether a car accident only caused a

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minor loss or whether it is a

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life-changing event

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and if one makes a small lottery win

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with three correctly typed numbers out

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of six

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then this may even cause disappointment

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because one had hoped for more

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a similar problem arises when one takes

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the fact marriage

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whether it is marriage for love marriage

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for convenience a forced marriage

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whether it is happy or unhappy

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must be distinguished

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this may seem trivial and self-evident

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but often even such modest

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considerations were not sufficiently

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considered

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in astrological investigations

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and an alleged fact was not

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reflectively taken as an unambiguous

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detail

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thus

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the probability of proving a potentially

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significant correlation

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similar caution is required when using

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questionnaires for self-disclosure of

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personality traits due to the

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discrepancy between idealized

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self-perception

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and actual personality profile and

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behavior

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even simple astrological prior knowledge

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such as knowing one's sun sign

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in matching experiments the quality of

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the participating

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astrologers plays a decisive role

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the success of the counseling is the

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result of many factors

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some of which are independent of

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astrology

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such as intuition

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psychological

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empathy

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cold reading

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and maybe

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clairvoyant abilities in combination

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with well-known cognitive illusions

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therefore

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meaningful consultations can also be

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made on the basis of false horoscopes

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however in matching experiments

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quality of an astrologer does not refer

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to such success

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but to an ability to work self-aware

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on what basis individual invitations and

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statements are made

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a sensitivity for the limits of validity

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described above is of central importance

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as well as a sensitive handling of the

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language for example when writing short

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one point of criticism of such matching

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experiments is

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that they represent artificial

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situations

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the participating astrologers would have

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to adopt practices

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that do not correspond to their standard

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practice

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which would make failure understandable

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with a good study design

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it is possible to meet these objections

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by adapting the tasks as closely as

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possible to the practical situation

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this can be

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done by leaving the used technique

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completely open and allowing questions

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00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,200
about the chart owner

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as long as they do not concern points to

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00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,720
make an assignment

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to the horoscope possible by

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non-astrological means

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these measures offer a very close

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proximity of the task to everyday

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practice

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and represent improved experimental

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conditions for the participants without

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this being at the expense

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of experimental control

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for example with regard to hidden coups

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cues

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there are two points to keep in mind

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due to the great freedom in terms of the

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technology used astrologers and their

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00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,720
claims are now being tested to see what

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they actually accomplish

480
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,000
astrology as a key system of symbols and

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00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,919
interpretations is pushed into the

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background

483
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one simply does not know how it was

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applied

485
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and what role it played in the first

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place

487
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,840
further steps of investigation would be

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00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:05,760
necessary to learn

489
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,549
furthermore the question of what

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00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,039
qualities are required in astrologers in

491
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order to increase the probability of

492
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:20,000
successfully solving the tasks

493
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,070
the best possible knowledge of the

494
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researcher about the nature of the

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researched object seems to be a matter

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of course

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but this varies in the field of

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anomalies

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furthermore some scientists feel able to

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conduct studies on astrology without

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00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,320
properly understanding how astrological

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00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:45,840
practice works

503
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,640
and what they are investigating

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00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,520
the results

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00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,679
this results in poor or meaningless

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00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:56,960
studies that fill the statistics and are

507
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,159
weighted equally as thoroughly thought

508
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,799
out studies

509
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,960
the few but nevertheless impressive

510
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,600
positive individual findings both on the

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above below theorem

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and on the field of matching experiments

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assign astrology

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a justified place in

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anomalistics expressly the anomalistic

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00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,880
approach requires respectable knowledge

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of different astrological approaches as

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well as the mechanisms leading to

519
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,279
experiences of subjective evidence in

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00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,919
astrologers and clients

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only then

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00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,960
is it possible to sufficiently formulate

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00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,559
hypotheses

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in which it is clear what is being

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in addition to many unobjective and

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non-informed criticisms there is

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also a number of important critical

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00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,600
works in astrology

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that offer

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00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,360
illuminating insights into the process

531
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,720
of contemporary western astrology cult

532
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,880
practices

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00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,080
dean's

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00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,559
astrology and human judgment and

535
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:11,760
calories why astrology does not doesn't

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00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,440
work for example offer unpleasant

537
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:17,360
but nevertheless very important

538
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,039
expositions for astrologers that provide

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00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,279
a clearer self-understanding for their

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00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,279
own actions

541
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the latter essay particularly displays

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many possibilities for

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00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,080
self-immunizations

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00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,080
a closed system such as adept

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astrologers are working with

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00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:39,840
which eventually remains irrefutable due

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00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,360
to its complexity for each failure a

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00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,760
system imminent or external reason can

549
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:47,279
be found

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00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,200
seemingly more or less plausible

551
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,080
still this does not mean that the above

552
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,600
below theorem

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00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,000
as a scientific anomaly

554
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,320
is not scientifically accessible in

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00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,760
general

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00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,559
it also does not mean that astrologers

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00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,279
excuses further failure are necessary

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00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:09,919
not valid arguments and should therefore

559
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,669
summarizing the requirements for

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00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,080
scientific studies on the validity of

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00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:20,480
astrology we get

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00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,240
the following list

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this required a respectable knowledge of

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00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,559
different

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00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:31,039
astrological approaches

566
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,520
knowledge about astronomical peculiar

567
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,159
peculiarities related to astrology

568
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,080
knowledge of astrology as a symbol

569
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,080
system and a human knowledge system

570
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:46,640
knowledge about mechanisms leading to

571
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,840
subjective evidence in astrologers and

572
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:53,760
clients and it's recommended to work

573
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,919
with selected self-aware astrologers

574
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,960
and

575
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,760
obviously the usual statistical skills

576
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:04,159
are needed

577
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,840
these

578
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,520
presentations presentation an attempt

579
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,000
was made to encourage researchers to

580
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,200
re-adopt earlier approaches increasingly

581
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,640
falling into oblivion modern databases

582
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,559
and data processing

583
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,480
offer many new possibilities for

584
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:22,240
researchers

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00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,360
there is

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00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,279
studies become possible that were

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00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
unthinkable 50 years ago

588
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,799
be that as it may

589
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,919
computing power alone does not guarantee

590
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,520
an intelligent

591
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,919
and successful study design

592
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,640
a thorough knowledge of astrology in all

593
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:43,440
its variants and aspects is just as

594
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,799
important as astrologers being study

595
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:49,440
participants who know their own

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00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,360
practices self-reflect reflexively

597
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,640
and view them

598
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:57,039
critically

599
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,909
so i already see a couple raised hands

600
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,080
and uh i'm going to start with a

601
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,159
question from mark so i'm going to hand

602
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,000
the mic to mark

603
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,080
i was wondering if uh

604
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,520
you might

605
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,799
be able to address some of the

606
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,039
additional statistical challenges that

607
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,799
are unique to astrology so you can't

608
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,440
just approach astrology research with

609
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,120
sort of a knowledge of standard

610
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,440
statistics and uh in many respects

611
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,480
because there are some unique challenges

612
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,960
to studying astrology

613
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,640
if you're studying the astronomical

614
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,039
factors uh statistically so i'm just

615
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,960
kind of curious what thoughts you have

616
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,240
on that

617
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,360
on the

618
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,880
problems with the

619
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,960
statistical evaluations

620
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,320
yeah i mean that

621
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:48,480
that is what i might try to mention with

622
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,760
the um creating of control groups and

623
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,720
you know that um

624
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:57,440
in in former experiments there was often

625
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,799
the the idea one can easily exchange

626
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,799
astrological factors for example with

627
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,720
shuffling method but with the

628
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,720
overlapping of all these different

629
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,840
rhythms

630
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,679
we have

631
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,720
such a complex situation that it's

632
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:14,559
hardly

633
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,399
possible to to estimate the likelihood

634
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,000
of

635
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,720
aspects and so i think with these monte

636
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,200
carlo simulation methods one can do a

637
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:26,960
lot of um

638
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:32,310
dealing with these problems

639
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:36,559
but it depends uh actually on on the

640
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,320
individual experiment so some in some

641
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,600
experiments it's

642
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,440
more easier

643
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,440
to use

644
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,080
so to say normal uh statistical methods

645
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,720
in others like our uh

646
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,520
experiment on on sinistry

647
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,679
we had to choose the other one and even

648
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,480
there it is it is difficult so

649
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919
um

650
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,679
but this is uh

651
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,679
rather sophisticated so

652
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,000
perhaps many in the audience

653
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,159
are not able to follow if they don't

654
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,919
know the study

655
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,760
so

656
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,149
all right i'm gonna pass the mic now to

657
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:19,600
chantal

658
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,679
how would one choose an astrologer

659
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:26,640
how would one choose a nostalgia

660
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,789
how would one choose a pseudo therapy

661
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,279
period so it's it's uh

662
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,279
often it's also a question of the

663
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:43,520
connection between astrologer and client

664
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,320
and

665
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:45,520
some

666
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,840
works well and others not but uh i

667
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,520
mean um if

668
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,240
in my opinion if an astrologer promises

669
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,000
too much and two concrete things then

670
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:01,039
i would be cautious so according to my

671
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,230
events cannot be for example predicted

672
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,760
one can only

673
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,600
have some some

674
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:12,960
yup

675
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,080
and some possibilities

676
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:18,480
for example uh consolation

677
00:31:24,029 --> 00:31:22,320
could be um manifest in a life but there

678
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,039
you have to know a lot of

679
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:25,760
circumstances

680
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,170
so

681
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,110
yeah no it's kind of

682
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,480
you know because

683
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,120
you're trying to find information and

684
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,039
so you know if you have different astral

685
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,480
you know if you have

686
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:40,799
different astrologers doing the same

687
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,760
person and looking at the variations of

688
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,200
their readings

689
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,640
yeah um

690
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,240
you know that seems like probably the

691
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:50,799
best way to go to kind of get it

692
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:55,990
i don't know

693
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,360
yeah the next question real quick um

694
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:02,240
when there's a caesarean the child now

695
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,440
is born

696
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,159
at a time on an unnatural time i mean

697
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,919
it's still you know natural that the

698
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,000
child is born at that time

699
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,480
and so um have you had any thoughts on

700
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:14,000
that

701
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,080
approach i i follow in this revised

702
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,279
and it is said that um this kind of

703
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,120
burst are not um

704
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,200
so accurate than the other ones so

705
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,480
because

706
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,640
it's thought of that the the

707
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,640
fetus

708
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,840
itself

709
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,960
initiates the birth and if it is a so to

710
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,720
say artificial

711
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,760
time of birth then um it does not work

712
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,000
as good but

713
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,440
that should be investigated i don't know

714
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,480
it's just

715
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,480
this problem yeah

716
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,080
okay

717
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,760
all right thank you

718
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,519
um now i'm going to pass the microphone

719
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,919
i'm going to mess up this name to cohen

720
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,720
hello gerard you remember me it's 25

721
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,519
years ago i think also in freiburg

722
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,840
it's uh i'm a kalia

723
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,480
oh it's yeah it's a good summary game

724
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:12,480
for yeah for the

725
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:16,159
general science public uh i just wanted

726
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,279
to add

727
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,120
for people who

728
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,159
uh want to read more about the specific

729
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,440
problems in astrology they uh

730
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:27,200
can look at my

731
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,880
my book which is freely downloadable at

732
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:33,039
astrovdm.com

733
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,840
uh

734
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,399
i address a lot of those problems you

735
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,080
mentioned like uh

736
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,200
special techniques you need to

737
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,039
to avoid difficulties i can put the link

738
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:47,279
here in the in the chat box for the

739
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,110
so yeah i just wanted to say that

740
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,200
um

741
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,360
not really knew what i what i uh

742
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,760
pretended but it's still often

743
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,600
overlooked so yeah probably for people

744
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,840
who are not

745
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,480
used to to deal with astrology

746
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,359
uh

747
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,440
yeah there are a lot of surprising

748
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:14,079
things that you have to know uh i have i

749
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:14,800
have

750
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,079
software program

751
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,040
uh which you can also try for free for

752
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,320
25 days uh i have put a lot of

753
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,639
statistical techniques and also this

754
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,040
randomization so you

755
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:31,839
you find some correlation and then you

756
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,359
randomize data and then it does that 100

757
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,240
times or so and if if the correlation is

758
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,399
real

759
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:41,919
well

760
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,950
if you compare with the random shuffled

761
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,520
data so that's that's in my

762
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:53,119
software

763
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,159
um

764
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,800
so uh researchers who are interested in

765
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,880
this work should

766
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,119
get in touch with you

767
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,560
outline of my research and so you know

768
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,480
it needs a lot of effort to do this kind

769
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,480
of studies

770
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,280
yeah yeah sure

771
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,720
i'm still working on

772
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,640
i'm trying to collect data for my

773
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,280
sinister research if people want to

774
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,720
collaborate or have data

775
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:22,960
just contact me all right and then

776
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,000
finally we have courtney i thank you

777
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,240
gearhart for all of your

778
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,680
hard work and lifetime of experience on

779
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,720
that paper you know i understand

780
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,839
um

781
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,599
it's such a vast

782
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,599
problem to tackle in the first place the

783
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,640
idea of

784
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,520
researching quantitative research and in

785
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,640
astrology and i just wanted to um

786
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,000
pursue a bit of what market brought up

787
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,400
on the ideas of

788
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,560
research design methodologies

789
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,560
statistical approaches

790
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,440
i work for some time with uh kioski

791
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,800
turvanan

792
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,560
um in helsinki

793
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,440
and he's had um

794
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,839
over a dozen papers

795
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,320
uh published in peer review

796
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,960
uh researching just on the goklan data

797
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,440
and he's got this really good um

798
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,280
shuffling bootstrap

799
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,200
uh methodology for doing the control

800
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,560
groups and

801
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,400
using p values

802
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,359
um

803
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,359
and in in the process of all of that you

804
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,560
know there

805
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,320
i think that we were able to come up

806
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,160
with some really simplified research

807
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:32,079
designs that solve a lot of those

808
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,280
problems

809
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,800
uh and and again they have been

810
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,400
published in correlation i just want to

811
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,280
bring up one for example

812
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,160
working with complete data sets

813
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:44,480
uh takes a lot of statistical problems

814
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,359
out of it

815
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,640
uh i've got a study that we did on

816
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,119
championship head coaches

817
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:53,040
in american football

818
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,880
where we worked from a complete data set

819
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,400
of all the

820
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,040
coaches who had worked as head coaches

821
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,960
in the american football league

822
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,960
and were able to sort out the ones who'd

823
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,200
actually won championships from the ones

824
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,400
who never

825
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,839
won championships and um

826
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,440
got extreme

827
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,160
variance between the two data sets now

828
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,880
now kioski ran p values on them and they

829
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,640
were very significant but with complete

830
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,560
data sets

831
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,000
you know that's not even entirely

832
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,480
necessary and again extreme uh

833
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,280
differences in signs planet planetary

834
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,920
positions in tropical signs

835
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,160
and of course we ran them in several

836
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,440
different zodiacs uh including the

837
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,160
sidereal lahiri ionasha which is the

838
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,880
most common one used in vedic astrology

839
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,560
and uh got some really interesting

840
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,839
results there and we were able to

841
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,440
replicate it using um basketball coaches

842
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,320
mba head coaches uh doing doing exactly

843
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,680
the same thing and it is fascinating

844
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,920
because we got very similar results and

845
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,000
yet would slight differences as you

846
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,040
would expect because these are you know

847
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,480
different jobs and different types of

848
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,280
personalities so i think um

849
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,280
you know the future looks looks pretty

850
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,200
good with the research again i know it's

851
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,880
it's almost overwhelming it's so

852
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,800
daunting and yet there are ways to

853
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,200
simplify it and i think to break it down

854
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,880
and that's that's just one example

855
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,920
yeah that

856
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,200
seems to be a good

857
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,440
one one good approach to have these

858
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:25,760
complete

859
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,839
data sets of and then you can easily

860
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,160
also compare it to other ones but not

861
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,200
every uh astrological research question

862
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,400
can be dealt with us in this easy way

863
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,800
and one actually had to go into the

864
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,720
details so

865
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,119
without knowing the details it's hard to

866
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,800
to give an

867
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,440
assessment of the quality but i think

868
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,520
that this looks like

869
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,079
being a fine study yes

870
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,920
yeah and i i think in in the course of

871
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,920
my research i've i'm really not

872
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,000
interested in improving whether

873
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,800
astrologers can do what they claim they

874
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:04,000
can do

875
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,880
um

876
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:07,280
frankly as a as after a lifetime in

877
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,040
astrology most of them can't um but to

878
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,720
demonstrate

879
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,760
um

880
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,400
the reality of some kind of planetary

881
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,240
influence

882
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,240
for me that's the research question and

883
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,839
that's what's led me

884
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,839
in those directions so thank you again

885
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,520
for your work it's really fascinating

886
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,280
and i look forward to to reading your

887
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,870
all right thank you for your uh comments

888
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,680
courtney um i have a couple well at

889
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,560
least one question in the q a hold on i

890
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,839
gotta get on the right screen here

891
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,680
and this question

892
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,040
comes from nuzi hanif

893
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,960
and she is asking is there any

894
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:51,520
difference in how amenable

895
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:54,800
vedic astrology is to scientific study

896
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,960
as opposed to western astrology

897
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,760
i think the problems are the very same

898
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,800
but i have to confess that i don't

899
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,520
know much about vedic astrology i mean

900
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,880
it's a different

901
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
in a way a different knowledge

902
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,400
system

903
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,760
but the

904
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,280
problem are

905
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,800
seem to me

906
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:19,119
for me to be the very same so

907
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,680
that is also applicable on to that so

908
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,160
okay and then carl asked me a question

909
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,680
in chat

910
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,520
hey uh i'm not sure if i understand the

911
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,359
question but maybe you will uh he says

912
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,960
hi annalisa could you ask garehart to

913
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,359
talk about or describe just what the

914
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,040
symbolic symbolic and all caps symbolic

915
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,589
the sim

916
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,040
symbolic

917
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,400
of

918
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:47,839
astrology or

919
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,280
the symbolic thing means it's um

920
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,400
i'm i don't know

921
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:57,599
oh in this description

922
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,119
the symbolic in this description

923
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,319
description that you used

924
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,040
in your text

925
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,359
how i use the term symbolic

926
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,560
or a symbol system

927
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,560
i mean

928
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:16,800
we have a

929
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:20,880
with astrology

930
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,040
where

931
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,630
some

932
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,560
external

933
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,280
elements are

934
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,800
loaded up with

935
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,800
symbolic meaning so

936
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:35,599
we

937
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:41,119
means and that our attributions that are

938
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,319
work that

939
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,800
and the mars and venus became a symbol

940
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,680
for

941
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:47,680
certain

942
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,760
content so to say and the symbol you can

943
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,079
then relate this symbol to different

944
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,000
contents you can

945
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,079
relate a

946
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:00,839
symbol of mars to

947
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,560
psychological issues you can also use it

948
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:07,520
on on a physiological level like it is

949
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:10,720
related to to the blood or to iron on on

950
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:11,359
a

951
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,119
to

952
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,000
approach something or recursivity or

953
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,839
something like that so

954
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,119
the symbol is appliable applicable to to

955
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,880
different

956
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,720
layers of

957
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,440
reality and experience i don't know if i

958
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,440
answered the questions with the question

959
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,720
but

960
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,880
another time

961
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,400
okay and then this is going to be the

962
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,000
last one i have i have another raised

963
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,000
hand and this one is uh philip brown so

964
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,520
we're going to hand him the mic hey

965
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,880
gerard

966
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,800
hi

967
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,640
a general question and a specific

968
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,270
so my my general question is how

969
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,640
sensitive

970
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,960
is a birth chart

971
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,880
to the time of birth

972
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,480
if you don't know the exact time of

973
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,480
birth but you know we say within half an

974
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,240
hour or an hour

975
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,920
okay will it make a big difference to

976
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,160
the birth child if you don't know the

977
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:10,480
exact time

978
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,280
it

979
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,119
makes in so far a

980
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,319
difference that you cannot um

981
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,599
make such an

982
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:19,920
accurate interpretation of the burst

983
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,359
chart several elements remain the same

984
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,599
even if the birth time

985
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,960
changes

986
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,440
but for example s and then can change

987
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,240
and that is a rather important element

988
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:34,160
and all so

989
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,750
things happen more likely than in other

990
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,160
areas that can change but

991
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,079
for example

992
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,400
if somebody is more an introvert or

993
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,440
extrovert person or some

994
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,680
more basic characteristics of

995
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,839
personality that will

996
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,920
remain the same

997
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,160
there it makes no difference if uh you

998
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,480
don't have the exact birth time

999
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,710
right my second question is i'm curious

1000
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,200
about the resemblance

1001
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:12,480
of the glyph

1002
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,079
the symbol for the planet saturn

1003
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,880
and the symbol for planck's constant and

1004
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,440
also the number five

1005
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,119
it was something that came up in my in

1006
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,200
my own research on the

1007
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,079
on the fine structure constant

1008
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:30,000
do you have any idea why why there is

1009
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,119
this

1010
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,800
similarity of these particular symbols

1011
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:36,079
yeah

1012
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:37,200
i

1013
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,720
have the grass that means the earth and

1014
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,240
then

1015
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,400
the other thing is i think it's the moon

1016
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,200
then combined i'm i'm not so

1017
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,119
into that maybe other people in the

1018
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,720
round can give you more information

1019
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,839
you can see that's a little bit like

1020
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,440
that yeah

1021
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,680
but it's it's certainly no accident and

1022
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,400
the five is the pentangle and you know

1023
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,079
that it's also related to the i think

1024
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,160
to the material we are but

1025
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,680
yeah

1026
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,400
i um

1027
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,319
i am not an expert in this there are

1028
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,160
certainly other people in the round that

1029
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,680
i can